38 - Human Design for Mompreneurs: How to Grow Your Business with Deeper Alignment (with Janice Carol)

If you're a mompreneur trying to grow your business and certain things just feel so hard, this episode is going to be an eye-opener for you.

Energy coach and human design expert Janice Carol explains how understanding your unique energetic blueprint can completely change the way you run your business and show up as a mom.

Here's a peek at what we cover:

• What Human Design actually is and how to start reading your own chart (today!)
• The five energy types and what they reveal about how you're designed to work, live, and grow your business
• How your authority type shapes the way you're meant to make decisions (and why most of the population is NOT designed to make decisions in the moment)
• Why pushing harder might actually be working against your design as a business owner (especially if you're a Projector)
• How Human Design can act as a supportive tool as you build a business that works with your energy instead of against it
• The concept of gene keys and how it layers onto human design for even deeper self-awareness

Whether you're brand new to Human Design or you've been curious about it for a while, Janice breaks it all down in a way that's accessible, practical, and honestly pretty life-changing for any mom in entrepreneurship. 

Learn more about Janice Carol and Human Design:

• Follow Janice on Facebook
• Her website: https://www.janicecarolcoaching.com/
• Book a Human Design reading with Janice
• See your Human Design chart: https://www.myhumandesign.com/

Get access to the Success Recalibration Ritual here! You deserve to feel good about the way you're doing life and business and motherhood no matter what season of life you're in. 

Are you an ambitious mom looking to start or grow your business in a way that feels aligned? Here's what to do next:

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4. Access the Success Recalibration Ritual so you can start feeling more successful more often as a mom and business owner!
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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hey mama, welcome to the Mom Boss Freedom Podcast, where ambitious moms come to build and grow businesses that give them the freedom and flexibility that they deserve as both a mom and an incredibly talented human. Whether you're brand new to entrepreneurship or scaling a business you already started, you're in the right place. I'm your host, Paige Figaroa, mom of two and former English teacher turned online business owner. Around here, we talk about making space for both your big dreams and those little moments you don't want to miss as a mom. So reheat your coffee one more time and let's dive into today's episode. Welcome to another episode of the Mom Boss Freedom Podcast. Today I have an exciting guest interview for you. Her name is Janice Carroll, and she is an energy coach, a human design and gene keys expert. And inside this conversation, we dive all into knowing or kind of explaining what you would want to know about human design and your gene keys and how you can apply that to your life as a mom, as a business owner, as an entrepreneur. And so I am really excited for you to learn from Janice. She has so many incredible insights and um nuggets of wisdom inside of this episode. And uh yeah, I hope that you love it. Good morning, Janice, and welcome to the Mom Boss Freedom Podcast. Thank you so much for being here today. Thank you. I'm excited and nervous. It's gonna be fun. Um, you I think I told you this in person when we met. What was it back in April or March now? That I was like seeking out someone out there who could come onto the podcast to talk about human design because I've been so into it for a while, but I'm like, I know just like the surface level components of it, and I was like looking for someone who would be a great fit. And so when I went to your event and like learned more about it from you, I was like, oh my gosh, she would be so perfect. So I'm very excited for our conversation today. So we always like to kind of like go back to the beginning here, so we just kind of like get a sense of someone's journey. Can you share a little bit about like what your life was like in the working world before you're doing what you're doing now in like the coaching space?

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Yes. So this is actually really funny for me because like um entrepreneurship and was never the plan. Even being a working mom was never the plan. So I grew up very religious and was basically like taught my whole life to just only pursue um being a wife and a mother, like being a stay-at-home mom. So that was like my whole upbringing. And education was really important. So I did like I went to college and got a degree, but it was never the plan to be working. And so um it was just really interesting over the years and life happening, you know, it's like um I call I tell my my higher power intuition. So sometimes I'll say intuition said this or intuition said that, but it just over the years, it was like I would get a nudge to do this thing or a nudge to do that thing, or work this job, or work this. And so over time it just develops, but um that journey, it was never like clear, cut and dry. It was yeah, it was always like go work this job. And then I'd be like, What? Why am I doing this? And then I'd get into it and I'd be like, oh, there's actually some things I really love about this, right? And then, you know, and then life happens and it's like, oh, I'm back at home with the kids now, and then you get another job, and you're like, Why am I doing this again? Oh, wait, I really love a lot of these things, and so over the years it just it grows and it develops. But that was never my plan to do any of this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

What were some of the like jobs I because I was telling you, I was like looking back at your website that you just did, which is really cool, by the way. And I saw some of the like I can't remember them off the top of my head now, but it sounded like you had like quite a laundry list of different types of jobs. What were some of the main ones that stick out to you?

SPEAKER_00 3:57

So I had like three primary um careers, I guess you could say, jobs that landed with me. So, and and actually my my bachelor's degree is in family studies. So I don't have a degree that like says I should be doing anything in the real working world. Like I essentially learned about like, but but it's really interesting now that now that I'm verbalizing this, because family studies is primarily about the systems of families. So I actually learned a lot about ecosystems when you're talking sociology and family systems. And like I literally have a graduate level class of family systems now that I'm verbalizing this, but so that's my educational background. And then straight out of college, I worked in credit card processing. I just like I don't even know why I was applying for a job because I was pregnant at that point. I was like, I don't know why, but intuition's like, go apply for this job. And I was like, I okay. So I did I actually did that for I can't remember, five to seven years. It was in credit card processing and managing their um PCI program, which is essentially right. So as a business owner, right, you accept credit cards through Stripe or whatever processor you use. So Stripe is one of them. There's um Squarespace, right, and Clover. And so there's all these different processors. And I worked with a startup where we manage their security program so that all the businesses were following um secure systems to make sure that you know we didn't have credit card theft and things like that, right? Yeah. So isn't that so funny? Not anything related to family studies. So I did that and then um went back home with the kids for a while. And then I was um I worked in, have you heard of the company VidAngel Studios? I think they're Angel Studios now, they've rebranded. I don't think so. But I worked with I worked with them just before COVID, and they were primarily a tech company, so that was all programmers, but they were also connected with dry bar comedy, and so I learned a lot about the tech side of things. Not I wasn't the tech person, um, which is so funny because now that I've moved to Pennsylvania, people are like, You're you know so much about tech. And I'm like, I really don't, because I'm not a I don't consider myself a programmer, yeah, but I know like the basic concepts of how things work because I worked in tech around programmers a lot, and so I did that, and then when COVID hit, I was like, it was too stressful, daycare closed down, all the you know, all the things. So went back home with my kids, and then um, and then a couple years later got another job and I worked for uh I'd always wanted to get into accounting because I love numbers and I love data, and so I applied for this accounting job and um really clicked with the manager there, and he was like, you know what? I don't know if we can pay you enough in accounting, but how do you feel about taxes? And I was like, Oh, I'll earn taxes. That sounds fine. Ended up being their tax supervisor for about 1200 clients um that year and had a blast. It was so fun. We like designed their workflow for this entire clientele to make sure because they weren't they didn't generate enough revenue that we could follow our the normal workflow. So we had to we had to like basically create this an entire new process for these 1200 clients that didn't generate enough revenue so we could make it sustainable for the company's um affordability, essentially. Yeah, so um that was probably more detailed than you. No, that's okay.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

It's I did those things. It's funny to me with a lot of entrepreneurs, I feel like there's this like sometimes this story of like you're you're kind of drawn to random things here and there. Well, it feels random at the time, and then when you like kind of finally feel like you're in this space where things are clicking and you feel like, oh, like I meant to do this, then you look back and you're like, Oh, well, now all those like yeah breadcrumbs from the past, it did make sense, and like they were adding up to something I just didn't really understand from the moment what it was all for.

SPEAKER_00 8:04

So well, and the tax supervisor position especially was just wild to me because when I took that job, uh my my ex-husband now, but at the time we were together, and he we had been trying to get pregnant and we weren't able to. We had we were struggling, and so I was like, okay, well, I want to go back to work. I so I took this job, and like literally after I took it, we got a positive pregnancy test. Oh my gosh. I was like, wait, what? And then, and so I kept checking in with intuition. I was like, should I not take the tour? And I was like, no, you keep doing it, and then my due date was April 15th. I literally had the baby, I had my baby on April 15th, right? And it's like so it's just so funny to me, like all the timing of it was just wild. And it, you know, it's not like I said, I couldn't couldn't plan that. But looking back now, as a business owner, especially, yeah, and as someone who helps other business owners, I I have enough basic, I'm not a tax expert, but I have enough even basic knowledge of taxes to say this is impactful, you need to check with your account about that, right? Like this is gonna affect the business, or this is a deduction you could utilize, or you know, things like that. So yeah, that's super helpful.

SPEAKER_01 9:23

Yeah. So a couple times now, and we're definitely gonna get into human design shortly. I absolutely want to ask you about, but because you've mentioned it a couple of times now, and I feel like this this does tie into human design, you know, a little bit, but you mentioned how you kind of check in with your intuition and use that as a way of like making decisions, I guess. Yeah. Um, and so this is something that I I feel like I we were just talking about this beforehand, how we like we both were have done things, we're just like we feel drawn to it and we just kind of like go with the flow, like you totally redoing your website in a day. Um, me randomly walking into a store and buying like a new journal. But um what does that feel because I feel like it's it's a different experience for everyone. And I feel like so many of us are like just like in the regular mundane world going on autopilot so much that it's like really easy to ignore, you know, what it what our higher power, what our intuition or you know, what our higher self is trying to like cue us into. So just curious for you, like what does that feel like for you? Um and how do you know that it's like yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

So we can jump if if you're ready to tie this into human design, I can totally tie this all together and jump right into it. Um so with and do we do you want me to introduce human design first? Yeah, I'm like I was getting greedy, I was just like, Oh no, it's exciting stuff.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

I because I know this ties into our authority a little bit too. So yeah, so let's go back. We're gonna we'll put that question on the table here. Um, and let's go back because for someone who doesn't know what human design is, telling you some of my listeners do have like a baseline knowledge of what it is, but can you explain it to us in a way where, like, if someone has no idea what it is, like what human design is?

SPEAKER_00 11:10

Absolutely. So, human design is a system or a tool or a modality, whatever you want to call it, um, that essentially will generate an energetic blueprint for you. So, just like an architect will create a blueprint for a builder to then follow, right? Like human design is gonna give you an energetic blueprint to yourself, to how your specific energy works, right? So, as a coach, I'm gonna help read that blueprint and help guide you on how to actually utilize that. So, and then if you want to tie that into like this decision-making process, right, that we talked about. You know, I I'm really fluffy about it and I like to call it intuition. Some people call it God, some people call it universe or source or whatever you want to call it. Human design actually has terms for all this, and they would call that your authority, right? So your authority would be the way that you make decisions. And and the the thing that I see right now, like what you what were you saying about like essentially we kind of get in this program mode of just like yeah, like being on autopilot, yeah. Yeah. So, and and what that is the way that I would frame that is essentially if you're walking through life on autopilot, you're living your life in your head and you're making decisions with your head. And human design says your whole body is an energetic system, um, not just your head. But we've been programmed to live in a world where we make all decisions, we choose all of our activities, even our day-to-day stuff, we do it all from our head. And what what you're doing when you're doing that is you're ignoring this major part of your body, not just energetically, but physiologically, physically, emotionally, right? There's this whole there 90% of or more, right, of your body is missing out on all the decision making.

SPEAKER_01 12:56

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

And so if you can look at human design, and I and I use human design as a tool, but you could even just like call this spirituality, right? You could call this living in wholeness or something, I don't, you know, but essentially living embodied, living in your whole body, and nobody is actually designed to be making decisions from their head. That's not part of human design. And so if you're gonna be living in your design and you're gonna be listening to your body, your body might say, Um, we're walking in that shop and we're buying a journal right now because it lights me up, because it lights me up and that's what I'm designed to be doing, right? I'm gonna I'm gonna redo my website today because my body says that's what I'm doing, and that's what the design that I'm supposed to be following. So if you're right, it'd be it'd almost like be like if you use the blueprint and you built the building and then you started like going to the bathroom in the kitchen sink. It's like that's not what it's meant for. It's like the toilets are over here, and that's where you're supposed to be going in the bathroom, right? And so once you understand your blueprint and you understand your system, now you can say, Oh, the part of me that makes decisions actually feels like this. It doesn't feel like thinking about what makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Does that make sense? Yeah, no, that's that's super helpful. And so that's called the authority, is more of like the decision-making center. So when um someone who's like just diving into human design, let's say, and also if those of you listening, like I highly suggest maybe to get the most out of this episode, like pause it here and like go look up your human design. Do you have um, Janice? I I know you've probably come across a couple sites. Do you have a suggestion for like which site they start with to find that?

SPEAKER_00 14:40

Well, for a beginner, I love Jenna Zoe's site. I think she's rebranded it and maybe is that the one that I that I have.

SPEAKER_01 14:47

I think that's the one that you sent me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Um, what it used to be called something else. I think it's called like aligned now. Okay. Um if you look up Jenna Zoe, I love her app for a beginner because it it's just it's really easy, and her the formatting is really easy, and you can just click around and play with things, and it's just really fun. Yeah. Um, so that's what I recommend for beginners. I like a different app for myself. I don't actually even know what it's called. I think it's just called Human Design App. But it has a very specific feature that I use as a coach that wouldn't really matter for yeah, other people.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Yeah, for like a beginner. Um, okay, so let's so we have the authority. I know one of the other main components, like it's so complex, like once you see your blueprint and all the numbers and like all the different centers and everything. Um, but I know another big one is the energy types. Can you just give us like a quick rundown of the five energy types and kind of their vibe?

SPEAKER_00 15:43

So let's say, for example, you download Jen is Always app, you put in your birthday, your time, your location, and it's gonna generate a report and it's gonna give you all this complicated information and feel very overwhelming. And just like pause and take a deep breath, and it's all gonna be okay. And the first thing it's gonna tell you is what your energy type is. And honestly, that is the biggest thing that you could understand. I think some people actually take human design too depthy and they get kind of like caught in the waves of it. And it's I always tell people, I'm like, don't even don't even worry about all that, just focus on your energy type first. So there's five, it's technically four energy types, but two of them become a hybrid. So I like to say five. But essentially, you have what we have the manifestor is our initiator, and that's about 10% of population, and they are designed to get things started. So um, if you think of like almost think of it like a workflow, everybody we're all like little worker bees and a big workflow, and we're designed to have different roles. So a manifestor's role is to get things started, and then we have generators um and manifesting generators together. So basically, these are the builders, and they're about 70% of the population. And so, and there's two different types, right? So there's just a generator, and then there's a manifesting generator, which is a hybrid, but basically they they're the kind of like the actual worker bees, they love to get stuff stuff done, they have a lot of energy. Um, one's a little bit more steady, one's more multitasking. Um, and there's that dynamic, right? And then we have the projector, which is, you know, you and I are both projectors, and that's about 20% of the population. And we're designed to be the guides, and we oversee projects, we understand systems, right? And things like that. And then um a very, very small portion of the population, about 1%, are what's called reflectors, and reflectors essentially will mirror back what's happening in a community to kind of give us a gauge of like where we stand. And so those are the five basic energy types.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

Super cool. Um, so when did you first? And I want to we'll go more in depth of like how we can use that information, but I'm just curious for your journey. Like, when did you first learn about human design and like how did that kind of like flip a switch for you?

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Um yeah, so I had already before I even found human design, I had already been really in tune with my authority kind of by accident. Um, and so when I actually just heard the word, or I think I read the words on somebody's like website, it I think it was another coach. Okay. It was like some some coach somewhere, and she did all these things, knew all these modalities, and human design was like listed last. Oh my gosh. And like, and something in my body just like jumped and was like, you need to learn more about this. And I was like, Oh, okay. And so I just started like researching it and Googling it. And I think I printed off like a personalized binder on some website and like just read it for like a year. Oh my gosh. Um, so it really was just intuition led. I was just fascinated with it and wanted to learn more, and and I was just doing it for myself, and it was never in, like I said, never in my plan to be a human design coach. But how cool that I get to do it now.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

Right. That I I think that's the other cool thing about entrepreneurship. It's like once you start diving into the weeds of just in these like rabbit holes of different modalities of like personal development and spirituality and everything, it's like the the world is your oyster because there's so many different things out there to learn about and that you could like help other people with. Um so I find it fascinating too. Now, with the um the energy types, how have you been able to? I know you said you you kind of had a little bit of like natural sense of like what was what your what your spirit was like being feeling drawn to at given points in your trajectory as like a career gal and a mom. But like what now that you you've understand like the inner architecture of human design, how have you been able to like build your life and like your business in a way that actually feels like really good for you because it's in line with what you're like naturally supposed to be doing?

SPEAKER_00 20:03

My my biggest thing is as a projector, um, it's actually interesting. I've even been reading more about it lately. We're actually classified as what they call non-energy beings. I I've seen that too, yeah. It's like, what even is that? Uh essentially, it's actually a really interesting concept. It essentially means we don't produce our aliens. Yeah, we don't generate our own life force energy, we essentially borrow it from other people. Um, and so which like is not a limitation. I don't want any projector to think of that as a limitation. But but it is something to keep in mind in your system. And so for me specifically, just knowing like I don't produce my own life force energy is really, really impactful because everything in society says if you want it, push harder. Right. If you want it, go get it, right? And that is the exact opposite of my design. My design actually says, if you want it, hold back, rest a little bit more, let the people come to you, you know. Um, and and so I operate completely differently in my not only in my business, but even in my personal life and my relationships and my friendships. Like there, I don't do that initiating go get it mindset. It's a lot of holding back, pursuing what I'm passionate about, taking a lot of time to rest and you know, release other people's energies. And then it it really is wild to me how many opportunities just come to me, effortlessly come to me. And it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 21:40

Yeah. I I have had a similar journey with with learning that I was a projector, and I know that this conversation isn't only about projectors, but just like to share some of mine. I I realized after I I had made some of my friends like do their human design so I like knew what they were, like some of my high school friends that I grew. Up with and I like looked up my husbands and my parents and everyone I got like real into just like energy type, and I was like, I literally grew up around a lot of manifestors and generators and manifesting generators, and I felt like like looking back at my childhood, I was always trying so so hard at everything, like with grades and sports, and like once I became a mom, I like literally just like there's only so much trying hard you can do when you have like people to caregive for. And in a span of two years, I went from being like um just like a like a married woman to having two dogs and two children. And I'm like, I I just straight up don't have energy for any for anything. Um, and I feel like it took a lot of work and recalibrating to like really look at my human design and be like, okay, well, no wonder this felt so hard for all this time. Yeah. This was me literally fighting against like my natural state of like rest. And like I I think I've read somewhere, and I know you you probably have thoughts on this too, that like a lot of projectors are really not meant to work more than a couple hours a day or something. Um and I was like looking back, I was like, I was literally doing like 50, 60 hours a week sometimes when I was a teacher. Like, yeah, no wonder it was it felt so burnout y. It's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

Yeah, no, we're not, and we can do it for short times, yeah. Um, but it like but the real word that I like to use is sustainability. It's not sustainable for you to work 50, 60 hour work weeks your entire life, right? So, like when I was a tax supervisor, I was working 50, 60 hour work weeks, right? And I did that for a tax season. I couldn't, I don't, I couldn't do that year round every year, go, go, go. Like my system would burn out so fast. And I took a lot of rest after that. Like when that job, when that job ended, and um, and I planned on going back, but management changed and there were just some things that happened, and I just had a baby, and so I was like, nope, like I have boundaries around like what I will and won't do. And so I ended up taking a couple years off. Yeah. And I needed it after just those four months of six to four work weeks.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

I I can imagine. I think I read somewhere lately that like when you get into like a burnout cycle, it can take up to like five years to fully recover from like what your the pressure that your system is under for that.

SPEAKER_00 24:28

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, depending on what you're yeah, well, and it does it, it does say too like I think it's it's a ratio, right? Like, so forever, how like if you were doing yeah four months of crazy work, then you'd need this much rest. But if you were doing a year's of this, you need you need this kind of rest.

unknown 24:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Yeah. Okay. So we have the energy types, and we were talking a little bit about the authorities. Can you give us like a like a quick rundown? I know there's more authority types than there are energy types, but like what the authorities are and kind of a general gist of how that should affect your decision-making process as like a human.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah. So after so, once we get in touch with your energy type, right? The next thing we'd want to do is look at your authority, like you said. And your authority is essentially the part of your system that you turn to when you make decisions. And it works like a hierarchy. So, and not to get too nitty-gritty, but basically in human design, you have um chakras that are essentially like highlighted or not highlighted in. So it's an essentially if you have consistent access to the energy in those chakras, or you don't have consistent access to it. And so you might have multiple decision-making centers that are highlighted in your chart, but because there's a hierarchy, there's one that basically has final say, right? So sometimes I'll see in clients is that maybe they have more than one decision-making center highlighted, but they've been turning to one that's actually second or third tier on the list, and they haven't been following their final say, right? And so we'll see that as a coach, but um, and things like that. But the but to give you basic rundown, there's actually two major decision-making centers which will fit for 80 to 85 percent of the population. We've got the emotional center, um, which is you feel the emotional waves of things, and it essentially what that means, implication for decisions, is that you need to take a lot of time in your decisions. You need to sleep on it, you need to let yourself have your highs and your lows through your emotions before you make a final say. And then the other decision-making center, and that's about 50% of the population. So about half the population needs to be taking their time and decision makings, which we could get into the business side of that because everything around business says, you know, it's like this FOMO like if you click now, no, yeah, I know, which is my biggest beef with like trying to have a human design business and then following marketing. And I'm like, but I can't ethically say if you sign up tonight, you'll get 20% off because like I know that half of you are emotional authorities that you're not designed to be making decisions tonight. Um, but that's half the population. Half the population should not be making decisions in the moment, they should be taking time, right? And then we've got about 30 to 35 percent of the population, which are called sacral authorities, and a sacral authority is designed to make decisions in the moment. They can get a yes or no like that. It's like you ask yourself a yes or no question, and your gut is like, uh-huh or uh-uh. And they know immediately. And it's actually really funny because especially I'll work with a lot of couples and you see it all the time in couples how one is an emotional authority and one's a sacral. So one needs to take a lot of time in their decisions, and one is like, no, I know right now what the answer is, and they fight about it. Oh my gosh. Like, why do you need so long? And it's like, how do you know things so fast? And it's like, you guys are just designed differently. But that will fit the majority of the population as those two authority centers. And then we've got the splenic authority, um, which is a very intuitive center. It's probably the hardest to access, I would say. Of most people that I work with who are spleenic authorities, um, a lot of them actually have stories around not being in tune with their bodies because they feel like it doesn't talk to them, but they just don't know how to access it. And so, and to trust it, um, because it's a very elusive authority. And then we've got two more, which are really small parts of the population. And I'm actually one of them. I'm called a what's a it's called a self-projected authority. It's only like two or three percent of the population, and we just need to like talk everything out. Oh god. I talk all the I journal all the time, I journal constantly because I don't, it's almost like I don't know the answer to something until it can come out of my body, and then when it comes out of my body, I recognize it. I'm like, is I know that. Yeah, um, but if I hold it in, I won't know. So those are the kind of the basics.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

And what you said there was one more, or that was the last one.

SPEAKER_00 29:06

Um, there's an environment and there's also ego. I actually I don't think I've ever worked with an ego authority, they're super rare. Um, and there's what's called an environment authority, and there's also lunar, which is for reflectors. Um, but basically your um it's your environment that matters. So it if you're if you're in a toxic environment, like you're not gonna be able to get the answers that you need. If you're in a healthy environment, you'll be able to get the answers you need. And then a reflector actually has a lunar authority, and they actually need to wait an entire moon cycle. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 29:40

Yeah. Wait, I I have a friend that's a reflector. I'm gonna have to like check in with her to see how how she's been making decisions. She's definitely not like, I don't know that she even knows what human design is, other than when I asked her to look up what her thing is. Um, but that's so interesting. Wow. My um mine is the spleenic one. And I I I think I I don't remember if I shared this when I did my reading with you. It makes sense to me when you had said how they don't we don't listen to our bodies. I feel like my a lot of my childhood, I had a lot of anxiety in my like um stomach and gut area. And not only until I started therapy did I realize like how to actually uh I feel like I was trying to like just ignore the anxiety and like those like internal like bodily noises or I don't even know, conditions, but like lately I've been able to use them as like okay, well, what is this actually trying to tell me um in a way that's like helping me make decisions because what you're saying? It's like a quick, like you just kind of like know sometimes. Um I've had the moments where like an opportunity will pop up for me, and I like instantly like in my body, I will either feel like my stomach will tighten if it's like not a good fit, like I'll just be like, ugh, like that feels like it would make me sick, versus like something that's like, huh, like I could take a deep breath. Um, so it's it's been interesting to learn how to work with my authority now from a business standpoint. Um, and I know there's so much more underneath the surface, which we'll we'll get into a little bit as well, but with just knowing like your your energy type and your authority type alone, what are some like things that you've seen the like businesses or like personal brands make as like changes that have been helpful for them just knowing those two things alone? Or is it hard to say because it's like it depends on the person?

SPEAKER_00 31:41

So because it's so unique. And honestly, like when I start working with somebody, um especially in their business, it's they actually identify a lot with the stuff they've already done that's worked. So when I it's I a lot of what I do is actually uh sometimes just validating, it's like putting language to things that be like, oh, okay, now that you say that, I have like implemented this thing and it like was really successful. And so by putting human design as a language to it and understanding as a concept, they can implement it more with a reason, right? And then the other aspect actually that I lean into a lot is like if someone is a specific energy type, um, or or there's a lot of things in their chart that could mean different things, right? So their profile line could be something, and their authority could be something. And so we would want to work and see with like, okay, is this part of the business doing this task or making this thing happen? Is that in line with your energy? And if it's not, well, maybe let's consider outsourcing it or let's consider bringing someone in who's a different energy type. So one of my um primary clients is a uh generator, and we work in business together all the time. And it it the partnership is incredible because as a generator, she her energy is very, it's very responsive, it's very in the moment, she's very build energy, right? And then as a projector, I bring in this like kind of overseeing admin kind of thing where I can I can see the big picture, and then I say, okay, um, let's move some things around, let's adjust this, let's create a system for this, right? And so it makes her life easier. But if I was in charge of all the responding 24-7, like that would exhaust me.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

But it doesn't exhaust her. And so we kind of compliment each other. So part of it is like finding what you're good at and then partnering with somebody that, and that's really what some people really say like when you really get down to the basics of human design is that like we need each other. Like I'm not I'm not designed to do the whole system front to back, you know, the whole process. Like, I'm designed for a specific part of it, and somebody else is designed for a specific part of it. And let's work together, let's team up, let's collaborate so that we're doing what we're designed to be doing. That's a beautiful way of putting it.

SPEAKER_01 34:02

I've actually, um, from my own exploration, haven't really heard someone say it in quite that way, but you're so right in that like we are all just these like individual entities, like trying to accomplish something, but it's never something really that we can just do by ourselves in like the grand scheme of things. So I love how that you um kind of piece that together for us.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Yeah, and I have another example too. Like, I have a manifestor that I was working with, and he had this incredible business opportunity that he like literally miraculously initiated. I don't even know how he made it happen, but he's a manifestor, so he did. Um, because manifestors are designed to get things started. So he just got it started and it like turned into this really cool thing. And it was really interesting. As I was coaching him, I was like, okay, but like you're a manifestor, you're not designed to see this through and by yourself. Like you need to bring generators on board, you need to bring a projector on board, like you need to bring these people on board to finish this project. And it was it was actually kind of sad because he did he he ended up deciding not to do that um because he I think it was just like if he really wanted to do it, he wanted to like prove to himself that he could do it. Um, and it was really slow going and he plateaued and it wasn't great, and then and after months and months, he finally was like, Yeah, I can't do this. And he's bringing on generators now to finish the project. And like, you know, and I could be like, I told you so, but I'm just like, you know what? I'm proud of you. Like, I'm happy that you know you're bringing other people on board now because it it just wasn't in his design, and it's not a bad thing, it doesn't make him a bad person. Yeah, it's just like work with what your energy is, like, because if he could focus his energy and spend more time initiating, that's gonna be a better use of his time and his energy than trying to see things through all the time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:59

For sure. I think that the underlying message here too, which you already alluded to earlier, is that like it's like once you can like see your blueprint and like really understand some of the basics of it, it makes you feel so validated because you're like, okay, well, I that I'm not bad at this or that, or like I'm not doing something wrong. It's just like this is what I'm supposed to be strong at, and this is where I'm supposed to get help. Um and rely on other people. And I think that there's a beauty in like a sense of relief and release in that too, because it's like, okay, well, I don't have to like spin my wheels trying to do all these other things that like like you said, sometimes in the world of entrepreneurship and marketing, like you feel like you're this weight of the world on you, especially if you have a really small team or you're a solopreneur where you have to like wear all the hats and stuff, but like that can only last so long and you're gonna like burn yourself out. And so I think that sense of validation that human design can provide is really, really important for people to just understand.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

So and like, and then to even take it, I like to take it even like a layer deeper that says we're gonna validate your energy type, and then we're gonna trust. Like, I'm gonna trust that the universe supports me in my design.

SPEAKER_01 37:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Because if I push against my design and try to be all the other energy types, like the energy doesn't flow with that. But if I lean into just mine, it's almost like you add this like there's like this invisible force. Maybe it's quantum science, maybe it's God. I don't care what you call it. But like, but I see it over and over that like when you lean into your design, the universe it's the universe doubles your efforts. It's like it doubles, and it's not, it's because now you're working in flow. Yeah, it's like it's like going downstream the river instead of trying to like kayak up it, you know?

SPEAKER_01 37:53

Yeah, that that's a really great analogy, and I think uh everybody needs to experience that because I I even now I I have moments where when I feel like I'm um forcing things, I'm like, okay, this is a moment where I am trying to like be a different type of person than I actually am meant to be. And so, like, that's pause and be like, okay, we're gonna come back to this in like the state that we're meant to come back to it in. Um, and I feel like that uh human design just so that tool, it's such a great tool, it really is.

SPEAKER_00 38:31

I love it, I think it's magical.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

I I'm obsessed with it. Um, okay, and so you also have a good working knowledge or expert in gene keys. Can you tell us how that fits into human design? Because I know it's like slightly related, and like human design calls it something else.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Um they're very tied together. So um Ra Uru Who, I believe is his name, is he's the founder of human design, um, and um developed it, and it was a very revolutionary thing for him. Um and uh Richard Rudd, I believe is his name, was a student of him and basically developed gene keys. So, you know, kind of think of it as like the master and the student. And um and so gene keys, so rewind. So in human design, another aspect of human design is that you have all these gifts as part of your chart, and they're in different chakras, and depending on where a gift is in your chart, what planet sign it's connected to, what profile line number it has, it all means different things. And human design touches on it, but then Gene Ps takes those gifts and it creates this sequence um where it is, and there's a basically a three-phase sequence where there are specific gifts in your chart that if you lean into will activate your awakening. There are specific gifts that activate your emotional healing, and then there's specific gifts that activate your career or your work, or what they call it as your vocation in your in your gene keys. So there's these different sequences. So actually, when I did my certification, we actually leaned really hard into gene keys, and I am obsessed with that as well. Um, but it's a very uh different approach in the sense that human design, I like to look at when we're looking at your overall system. I almost think of it as like a floor plan or what you said, or like a blueprint for your body graph for your energy, and then your gene keys is a very that's a very spiritual, in-depth, like pondering kind of journey where you're gonna take things one at a time and really take it to your higher power and like it's almost like a religion in the in the spiritual aspect of it, but they're tied together, and so when we start to get it, when we start to get into your gifts, I usually turn to gene keys. Um, but if we're looking at overall system and chakras, I like to utilize human design.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

That's smart. I I feel like you told me a little bit about gene keys on our call, but I think that's something I would really like to explore down the road. Yeah. Um, but like you said, with human design, and for anyone like listening who's still just absorbing what human design is, I feel like it's important, as you said, to just like take it like one like one learning layer at a time so that you can like integrate it and like before you layer on the more complex this is for sure.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Gene keys stuff is so cool though, because one of the things I absolutely love about it is that in Gene Keys, when you study these gifts, they vibrate in different frequencies. So a specific gift in your chart could you could be vibrating in the shadow frequency of this gift and it's gonna express a specific way. And so we might have a lot of shame around that and be like, oh my God, I'm so awful at this thing. And it's like, well, you're just vibrating in the shadow of that gift. We can get you vibrating in the gift frequency of it. Um, and then and it expresses a completely different, not different way, but it's like it's basically saying, like, your skills and talents, depending on where you're at in life, can look kind of icky or they can be really amazing. And so we can just shift those, and it's really awesome to see that happen in clients too.

SPEAKER_01 42:07

Yeah, that sounds really uh helpful and like unlocks more abilities to just like live out what you feel like is like the best path for you as well. Um, okay, so another question here, this is the one I meant to ask you earlier, but when people I feel like there's I feel like there's generally more people now who do know at least a little bit about human design. Um, but what do you feel like is like a big misconception that people have about what it is?

SPEAKER_00 42:37

You know, I was thinking about that question, and I I honestly don't have a huge answer. Like I it kind of just depends on how you want to take it. Yeah, like the only thing that I see that I don't like is that people might take human design and fit that framework into Lila Life to create more limitations, and now say, Well, I can't do XYZ because I'm not designed to do that. Got Cham. And and I don't and that may be quote true, you know. Yeah, maybe you're not designed to do that, but I don't like the limiting belief behind it. Got chem. Does that make sense? And so um, so it's more about an approach that I take with human design versus an actual misconception. And my approach is like, um, you're fucking awesome, no matter no matter what your blueprint looks like. So we're just gonna use your chart to leverage your awesomeness, right? It's not about what's good or bad, it's just about using your system to get the things that you want, to live the life that you're designed to live, right? So yeah, maybe you're not designed to do this specific thing, but that doesn't have to limit you and limit what you can have. Right. We're just gonna explore a different way to get the same thing. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 43:58

Yeah, that makes total sense. I I think that that's helpful too in not seeing it you you've called it like a blueprint and approach a modality. It's not like a set of like stringent rules necessarily that you have to like if you're doing it this way versus that way, like you're doing it wrong or something. Like it's like it's like a guide to help you.

SPEAKER_00 44:15

Exactly. And there are parts of your chart that are gonna contradict themselves. Yeah. There will there just will be. Like there's gonna be one part of your chart that says, I'm really good at this. And then you're gonna have another chart of part of your chart that says you're really good at the opposite, or you know. And it's like, yeah, yeah, we're gonna and that's as a coach, I'm like, okay, well, let's look at a specific example and see what part of your body is like expressing more here, or you know, things like that.

SPEAKER_01 44:39

Yeah, that's really cool. And uh it adds to the chaos of like being a human, I think. Oh my gosh. Um, what this is more of an entrepreneurial-based lesson now, but since you you've had quite a journey with like different career paths and now like, you know, this we'll call it an energy coaching business where you work with, you know, like solopreneurs and other small businesses. But what would you say is like the biggest lesson that you have learned? And it can be outside the scope of human design, obviously, but what's the biggest lesson that you've learned as an entrepreneur that has been helpful for you?

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Um the biggest thing that I and I'm actually like kind of like leaning into this right now is the principle of detachment. Um especially, especially in at least the business that I run, and like I think for you too, and I don't know about your audience and clientele, but a lot of times we are our own brand.

SPEAKER_02 45:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:39

Janice Carroll is me and it's my brand and it's my business. And so if someone doesn't like my human design workshop that I did, oh that means they don't like me, you know, and I take it personally. And so a big thing that I'm trying to practice is just like there's this business that I have and that's separate than me as a person. And if someone rejects my business, that's not they're not rejecting me and I'm not taking personally. Yeah, right. And and when you do that, when you can detach from your business, um, I think we have the ability to see it more objectively and to apply more principles. Um, and and we reduce resistance um and more opportunity flows to us when it when we can be because when you're detached, you're now in a calm space about it too. Yeah, but you're not anxious about it. And so, and that kind of ties into law of attraction and manifestation, which are also topics I'm passionate about. But the more um calm peace and detachment we can create about something, you've now created more space for things to come to you. And so that's what I'm doing right now.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

That's really smart. That's a good reminder for me, too, is that when I first um started in the coaching space, I really struggled with what you're saying there, with like tying that it was almost like tying my own self-worth, really, and my self-image to how people were responding to things that I would put out there, like in like as like messaging from my brand or something like that, or like saying no to an offer. Um, so that's been something I've had to learn to do too, as you know, a personal brand is like, okay, yeah, like this is a business and then this is me. And even though there's a lot of parts that come together, it's like there's still two different um they're their own things. So I love that. And I never I didn't I love that language of detachment from it too. I think that gives it like a nice concrete word of like what it is you are actually doing to separate those two parts of you.

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:36

All right. You gave me so many um book recommendations already from like when I've been messaging you, and I think one of them was from the reading I did with you. But what is a book that you have read that you think like I think I forget how I worded it here, but that you think all mom entrepreneurs should read?

SPEAKER_00 47:54

So um I do love reading, and I read a lot of books. I'll be honest, I have not read a ton of business books, which I think actually serves me because I don't think most traditional business advice would actually be in line with what my path is and my energy type is. But I do love um Greg McEwen's book. I don't know if we've read it, uh Essentialism.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

I actually started um another projector that I met who has a business. She was actually on the podcast, the last guest podcast I did. We met each other and then she found this account. She's like, oh, like this lady, she gives book recommendations based on their uh their human design energy types, and she sent it to me and I started listening to it. I think I got halfway through it. Um, but it's really helpful. What uh what's your take on it?

SPEAKER_00 48:41

On essentialism?

SPEAKER_01 48:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Um, I it's I love it. It's kind of like the way that I talk think about it is almost like Marie Kondoing your life. Um, and so it's like we're gonna really narrow down on like only doing the things that like bring us joy and move us forward and actually get us the things that we want in life. And I think especially, especially as a mom who owns a business, we are pulled in like 10 different directions all the time, right? And so if you can really like get clear on what is actually essential, what actually matters here? Maybe this opportunity that actually sounds really cool. Actually, that doesn't move us forward in the direction that I actually want to go, or it doesn't make the things that I need right now. So I'm gonna say no to that, even though it's a good opportunity, it's not the opportunity that I want. Yeah, right. Um and we have a hard time doing that. We have a hard time saying no to things um just because we think we have to do it all. So essentialism is really great. And then I actually love his second book. He has a second one called Effortless, and that basically says, like, okay, now essentially, like now that you've found the things that are essential, the things that do matter, like you don't have to do it perfectly. Like you don't have to create this like perfect fitness plan. Yeah, you know, you can just like go outside and go for a walk. And that can be enough for today, right? Like maybe you've decided that like eating dinner as a family is essential. That's something that's really important. Um, but maybe we don't have to like spend an hour prepping prepping a gourmet meal. Maybe like frozen pizzas are okay tonight. Yeah. And so as a right, as a single mom and a business owner, like that is like really good for me too because I'm like it really challenges. Um, like I said, as a single mom, especially. Like I do, like I have this idea. Like, I want us to sit together every night at the dinner table. And sometimes that happens and sometimes it doesn't. And sometimes it's frozen pizzas. Sometimes it's um mom took the night off of cooking and you're eating a bagel, and I made some scrambled eggs for myself or whatever. But the point is, we're here and we're connecting, and that's the essential part, right? And it doesn't have to be this big complicated thing. So yeah, I love those two books by Greg McKeown.

SPEAKER_01 51:06

I love that. I'll have to read the second one. Um, but I love those just like clear examples of even just like dinner time, like especially depending on what your energy type is, like it can't just always be this like perfect thing every single time, right? Especially when you're running a business and you know your kids are doing stuff all day. It's just I feel like society pressures can get really loud in the motherhood space. And like I think um some of those ideas that you pulled from that book would be really helpful for people as well. Um, I don't want to go too long here, but I am curious, and I had intended to ask you this earlier as well. How has knowing about your human design, and also I don't know if you know about your own children's human design, I'm sure you do. Um, how has that shaped how you parent them?

SPEAKER_00 51:50

You know, I know they're energy types, and I've done deep dives into their charts before, and then it's actually kind of funny. I don't actually get obsessed about their charts. Yeah. Um, and maybe that's my own intuition to kind of just be like, let them be people, let them be people. Yeah. Um, but I think my just like the biggest way. Okay, let me rewind. Sorry. I'm like getting my thoughts as I'm speaking. See, this is my my self-projected energy right here. I can find the answer as I talk it out.

SPEAKER_01 52:21

I love that. Well, that's also I like podcasts like this because it's like it doesn't have to be like super polished. It's like we're just I don't.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

I like discovering the answer as I see yourself. So one of the approaches that I'll take, um, and I think I do this in my workshops, is that like we're gonna love every part of your design. And I don't care what your design is, we're gonna love it. And so as a mom, like I think I just take that approach with my kids too. And like it's like you're having a tantrum right now because you wanted cream cheese on this bagel, but not on this bagel, like, and we're still gonna love you in this moment and know that maybe this is part of your design because you are you know you're a projector too, and you want things done perfectly, yeah, right, or whatever that is, but it is helpful for me to see that. And and I do have two children who are uh generators, one's a generator and one's a manifesting generator, so they have a lot of energy. Yeah, and so that it is helpful for me to keep in mind like, okay, you need more activities than I have the capacity to give you. And so we're gonna we're gonna find some structured activities that someone else can provide, yeah, so that I can get the rest that I need and you get the things you need. So there is that too, but but really just bringing it back down to love. I feel like so many times we we think because someone's different than us that there's something wrong with them, and then it gets harder to love them and and to just like have this foundational belief that differences are not a bad thing, like that we complement each other and that these really cool things or different things about you are actually really cool, and I can love you in that process and still love myself for being different than that too.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Yeah. Oh, that's such a beautiful. I feel like that's gonna be a clip. It's such like a nice, powerful nugget of wisdom. Um, thank you. Which ties into what you were saying earlier about how human design kind of shows us how we can, you know, each take almost like accountability and ownership for what we are really good at and use that in a way that aligns with and supports and complements other people's strengths. So that's really beautiful. Um okay, last two questions. What is something outside of human design, business and motherhood that you are obsessed with?

SPEAKER_00 54:37

Oh my god. I I mean, I love all things, self-help and healing and all the things and manifestation and stuff. But then, okay, so when I read that question, I was like, okay, I have this really nerdy thing that I love. Oh, I would I love designing, I love designing floor plans. Oh the like nerdiest thing ever. Like I love to get my graph paper out.

SPEAKER_02 55:00

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

And make floor plans and arrange furniture on floor plans and then erase it and do it again. Oh my gosh. It's like the nerdiest thing ever, but I love doing it.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

Is this like floor plans, just like dream floor plans, or like you actually make these changes in your own living space?

SPEAKER_00 55:18

I mean, so I rent right now, so it's mostly just like furniture arrangement anytime I feel inspired. But I did like my two previous homes that I owned. Like we remodeled them. I in my last home, we literally moved the kitchen to a different part of the house. We added like uh an apartment upstairs and like yeah, that's cool. All from my graph paper. Like, I literally would like to hire a contractor and show them my like old school. Oh my gosh. Like, I'm sorry this isn't digital, but can you do this? That is really cool.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

I think that um I don't know if you had always had time for that in your schedule, but I I feel like I'm finally getting to a space where I'm trying to allow more space for those types of things in my life because I I feel like I come across so many like ambitious women and moms who they want to do all these things and they're like, Oh, but I don't even know what my hobbies are anymore. Like, I actually don't even know what I like to do anymore. And it's like we need to make space for those cool, nerdy things that like just make us feel alive and like we're having fun.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

I just feel like that's what life's about. Like if I don't if I don't have the time and space to do a jigsaw puzzle or to make a floor plan or you know, like take a nap on a Saturday afternoon, I'm like, I don't know if I want to live that life.

SPEAKER_01 56:30

Yeah, I I I so agree. Okay, so you've given us so many things to think about and explore, especially someone who is like diving for the first time or the second time into their chart. But for someone who is interested in learning more about your work um and like maybe wants to take the next steps with kind of understanding their blueprint, where can they find you? And what would you say is like the first starting point for them?

SPEAKER_00 56:53

So um, I mean, the starting point for them is like, like I said, you can download Jenna Zoe's app or a different human design app and just start reading about it. There's tons of material online. You can get your free chart. Um, if you want to work with me directly, I'm I'm still in the process of getting like socials and um my booking page up. I'm actually in the process of transitioning to like people can book with me virtually because I've been doing it it's so bad. I do this for other businesses.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

I mean, I found you in person too.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

So I know this for other businesses where I'm like, you really need to get this automated, and then I'm like, wait, why don't I have this on?

SPEAKER_01 57:26

I is that a projector thing? Because I swear I literally do that all the time. I'm like giving all this great advice, and like I do take it sometimes, but then there's other times where I have to be honest with myself. Like, am I actually doing this myself?

SPEAKER_00 57:38

No, it actually is a projector thing. Okay, we do have an ability to see what other people need, but not like an ability to see me.

SPEAKER_01 57:46

It's a weird or maybe it's I can see it for myself, but I don't have the energy to implement it for myself.

SPEAKER_00 57:52

That might, yeah, that might be a hurdle as well. Um, but yeah, so I'm getting those uh, but for now, um I'm on Facebook. My personal is Janice Carol, and then I have a website, Janice Carol Coaching.com. Um, and that is more designed for um business owners, but there is an energy page on that website, and you can email me at janicecarolcoaching at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

Um, I'll put the information that you wanted to share, like your um Facebook and your website and all that in the show notes so that people can find you, as well as the like link to the Jenna Zoe reading so they can find their chart. Um, but this has been so helpful. Thank you for sharing all of your incredible wisdom. This was so fun.

SPEAKER_00 58:35

You're welcome. Thank you for having me. This was a blast. I love talking to me and design.

SPEAKER_01 58:39

So of course. If this episode resonated with you, be sure to check the show notes that you can find Janice and her social media platforms, her website so you can learn more about her work. And if you are an ambitious mom looking to start or grow your business in a way that feels really good for the season of life that you're in, also check the show notes that you can book a free one-to-one call with me to kind of figure out like your next right step. And also take a look at some of the freebies that I have in there for you to kind of get your head thinking in different ways about how you actually want your business to feel for you day to day in this season of motherhood that you're in. And if you are listening to this episode in real time at the end of June when it is first airing, just a heads up that there will be no new episodes until July 14th, just taking a little bit of a mom break and a summer vacation break. I did this back in new right before the new year, and it was really nice for me to just have a week off. And so I can't wait to meet you back here in another week and a half or so, and I hope you have an amazing week ahead.